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03/25/2022 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:25 PM Start
01:34:04 PM HB283
01:34:08 PM Presentation: State-aid for School Capital Projects: Grant and Debt by the Department of Education and Early Development
03:22:58 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+= HB 281 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
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+= HB 282 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
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+= HB 283 APPROP: CAP; REAPPROP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
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+ Presentation: State-Aid for School Capital TELECONFERENCED
Projects: Grant and Debt by Heidi Teshner, Acting
Deputy Commissioner, and Tim Mearing, Facilities
Manager, Department of Education and Early
Development; Ed Pekar, Lower Kuskokwim School
District; Kevin Lyon, Kenai Peninsula Borough
School District; Sarah Sledge, Coalition for
Education Equity; Nils Andreasson, Alaska
Municipal League
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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       March 25, 2022                                                                                           
                          1:33 p.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:33 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Heidi  Teshner,  Director,  Finance  and  Support  Services,                                                                    
Department of  Education and Early Development;  Tim Mearig,                                                                    
Facilities  Manager,  Department   of  Education  and  Early                                                                    
Development;  Sarah  Sledge, Executive  Director,  Coalition                                                                    
for  Education  Equity;  Nils Andreasson,  Director,  Alaska                                                                    
Municipal League; Representative Mike Cronk.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Tom   Roth,  Chief   Operating  Officer,   Anchorage  School                                                                    
District; Jim  Anderson, Chief Financial  Officer, Anchorage                                                                    
School District; Ed Pekar,  Lower Kuskokwim School District;                                                                    
Kevin  Lyon,  Planning  Director,  Kenai  Peninsula  Borough                                                                    
School District.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 283    APPROP: CAP; REAPPROP; SUPP                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     PRESENTATION: STATE-AID FOR SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS:                                                                       
     GRANT AND DEBT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND                                                                          
     EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick reviewed the agenda for the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 283                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations,     reappropriations,     and     other                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: STATE-AID FOR  SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS: GRANT                                                                  
AND  DEBT   BY  THE   DEPARTMENT  OF  EDUCATION   AND  EARLY                                                                  
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEIDI  TESHNER,  DIRECTOR,  FINANCE  AND  SUPPORT  SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT, introduced                                                                    
the PowerPoint  presentation: "State-Aid for  School Capital                                                                    
Projects:  Grant  and Debt  -  Department  of Education  and                                                                    
Early Development" (copy  on file). She began  with slide 2:                                                                    
"Our Mission,  Vision, and Purpose." She  explained that the                                                                    
vision of the Department  of Education and Early Development                                                                    
(DEED)  was   taken  directly   from  Alaska   Statute  (AS)                                                                    
14.03.015.  She  indicated  that  DEED  existed  to  provide                                                                    
information,  resources,   and  leadership  to   support  an                                                                    
excellent education for every student every day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner  continued to slide  3 and explained  that there                                                                    
had been  significant school capital funding  in the history                                                                    
of  Alaska. There  were three  sources of  funding including                                                                    
federal, state,  and funds from  the Local  Education Agency                                                                    
(LEA). The funding  from the state came  from various grants                                                                    
and bonds,  which started in approximately  1970. The school                                                                    
debt  reimbursement program  also contributed  significantly                                                                    
to  funding sourced  from the  state and  began in  the year                                                                    
1971. The program has been  administered by DEED since 1983.                                                                    
There were  also debts that were  reimbursed annually, which                                                                    
was  funded through  the operating  budget. Local  education                                                                    
agencies  and   municipalities  had   also  been   a  strong                                                                    
component and had used  capital reserves, municipal funding,                                                                    
and other  revenue that could  be utilized from  the general                                                                    
fund  in order  to  help maintain  and  upkeep local  school                                                                    
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon thanked  his  mother,  Edie, and  his                                                                    
brother,  Gary,  who were  listening  in.  He asked  if  Ms.                                                                    
Teshner would  contextualize the  Kasayulie lawsuit  and the                                                                    
Moore case.  He hoped  she would focus  in on  the Kasayulie                                                                    
case. He  thought it could  provide a guidepost on  the type                                                                    
of school funding that had taken place.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner would follow up with the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  wanted her to provide  context in the                                                                    
current meeting.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner relayed  that the  most  recent Kasayulie  case                                                                    
involved the Kivalina replacement  school that was funded in                                                                    
2016.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:39:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM MEARIG, FACILITIES MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND                                                                    
EARLY DEVELOPMENT,  added that there was  a helpful briefing                                                                    
in HB 237 that gave  more information. He indicated that the                                                                    
report would be  highlighted later in the meeting.  It had a                                                                    
large impact on funding starting on 2010.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner explained that Handout  1 (copy on file) was the                                                                    
document that would provide the additional information.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  continued to  slide 4:  "Recent Funding  (SB 237                                                                    
Report)."   The  report   was   required   by  statute   and                                                                    
highlighted  the  funding  since   2010  when  the  Regional                                                                    
Educational  Attendance  Area  (REAA)  and  small  municipal                                                                    
grant  fund  was  established.  In  the  current  year,  the                                                                    
funding was  $1.445 million.  He explained  that if  a grant                                                                    
was  awarded  to  a  municipality  that  had  a  35  percent                                                                    
matching share, only  the state share would be  shown in the                                                                    
funding amount.  He indicated that  Handout 1  was available                                                                    
for review. He  pointed to Appendix A and B,  which showed a                                                                    
compendium  of all  the funding  that had  been provided  to                                                                    
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  advanced to slide 5:  "Current Finding Options."                                                                    
The funding  currently available  in statute was  the School                                                                    
Construction Grant  Fund, Major Maintenance Grant  Fund, and                                                                    
the REAA  and Small  Municipal School District  School Fund.                                                                    
The  REAA fund  was  an indexed  fund and  was  tied to  the                                                                    
amount  of debt  reimbursement  funding  that was  allocated                                                                    
through  the  operating  budget  annually.  The  amount  was                                                                    
determined  by a  formula found  in AS  14.11.025. Prior  to                                                                    
2010, there  was no forecasting of  funding for maintenance,                                                                    
but through  this mechanism,  there was  now a  forecast for                                                                    
available funding  for REAAs and indexed  debt reimbursement                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Edgmon    referred    to    the    federal                                                                    
Infrastructure  Investment and  Jobs  Act  (IIJA) and  asked                                                                    
whether there was funding for schools.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig responded that there  was $500 million for energy                                                                    
projects for schools.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  commented  that   the  issue  was  a                                                                    
"sleeper issue" that  should be watched. He  noted the price                                                                    
increase amount was changing rapidly.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Mearig  continued   to  slide   6:  "Current   Project                                                                    
Categories  (AS  14.11.013)."  He explained  that  necessary                                                                    
projects  identified  by  school districts  were  determined                                                                    
through  the  7 provisions  outlined  on  the slide.  School                                                                    
construction  projects would  be defined  under items  A, B,                                                                    
and  C and  would be  put on  the school  construction grant                                                                    
fund list for possible funding.  He added that projects that                                                                    
addressed  items   C,  D,  and  E   were  major  maintenance                                                                    
projects. The  split of project  types had served  the state                                                                    
well.  The  categories  had  grown  out  of  the  effort  to                                                                    
identify the  major maintenance grant  fund and put  it into                                                                    
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig advanced to the matrix on slide 7: "Fund                                                                             
Category    Entity Relationships."  The slide  indicated the                                                                    
type of  districts that might  be able to take  advantage of                                                                    
the funding.  He reminded  members that  there were  19 REAA                                                                    
school districts  in the small municipal  district category.                                                                    
He highlighted  that there were  some restrictions,  such as                                                                    
REAA schools not being eligible for debt reimbursement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:47:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  turned to slide 8:  "Capital Improvement Project                                                                    
(CIP) Eligibility."  He explained  that when  the department                                                                    
looked   at  eligibility   criteria,   there  were   several                                                                    
components  that  had  to  be  considered  in  order  to  be                                                                    
eligible to be on the  major maintenance or grant fund list.                                                                    
These components were listed on the slide as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     1. Six-year capital improvement plan                                                                                       
     2. Functioning fixed asset inventory system (FAIS)                                                                         
     3. Proof of required property insurance                                                                                    
     4. Certified Preventative Maintenance and Facility                                                                         
     Management Program                                                                                                         
     5. Capital project and not maintenance                                                                                     
     6. Participating Share                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick asked  for a list of  school districts that                                                                    
had not qualified.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  responded by providing  the following  list: the                                                                    
Aleutian  Region,  Hydaburg,  Klawock,  Lake  and  Peninsula                                                                    
Borough, Skagway, and Yukon Flats.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:50:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  continued to slide  9: "Grant  Participation and                                                                    
Eligibility." He  explained that there was  an annual period                                                                    
for  applying for  school capital  funds  across the  state.                                                                    
Eligible  districts  would  provide  a  Capital  Improvement                                                                    
Project (CIP)  grant application no later  than September 1,                                                                    
which  was  then  received  by   the  review  committee.  An                                                                    
application would include a category  of work and would fall                                                                    
into  the  respective  list  on   slide  6.  The  department                                                                    
evaluated and  ranked each project  through a  robust review                                                                    
process which  included the use  of measured  and evaluative                                                                    
metrics  in order  to prioritize  the projects.  The ranking                                                                    
was  determined through  statute  and additional  regulation                                                                    
determined  how the  projects would  be scored.  The process                                                                    
had functioned smoothly  since its rollout in  1996 and only                                                                    
minor adjustments  in the evaluative  process had  been made                                                                    
since  its inception.  The department  worked to  understand                                                                    
the needs  of school districts  to ensure that it  was tuned                                                                    
into  an appropriate  measuring mechanism  to determine  the                                                                    
need. He  noted that a  CIP priority list was  generated and                                                                    
released  on   November  5  of   each  year.  There   was  a                                                                    
reconsideration  period  if  a  district  thought  that  the                                                                    
department made an error. The  list the department generated                                                                    
took special  care in identifying  costs to ensure  that the                                                                    
department  was accurately  representing  the  costs to  the                                                                    
legislature and the public.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig  continued to  the  graph  on slide  10:  "Grant                                                                    
Participation and Eligibility  FY 13  FY 23."  He noted that                                                                    
the  trend downwards  in fiscal  year (FY)  20 was  alarming                                                                    
because  many  districts  were   not  participating  in  the                                                                    
program. He  pointed out  that in FY  19 there  were several                                                                    
major maintenance  projects. The department was  glad to see                                                                    
the participation  number rebound since FY  20. He explained                                                                    
that one  element of the  department's process  was outreach                                                                    
and training  to encourage districts  to participate  in the                                                                    
program. If  a district did not  participate, the department                                                                    
would  not be  informed of  a district's  needs. Information                                                                    
had  to be  turned  in for  the department  to  know how  to                                                                    
proceed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick noted  Representative  Mike  Cronk in  the                                                                    
audience.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig turned  to slide 11: "Grant Awards FY  13  FY 22"                                                                    
which showed a chart delineating  the dollar amount of funds                                                                    
awarded  under  each  fund  category   by  fiscal  year.  He                                                                    
indicated  that the  funding that  had been  provided lately                                                                    
had been relatively moderate in  the major maintenance grant                                                                    
fund category.  He noted there  had been four  years without                                                                    
funding  for   school  construction  grant   fund  projects,                                                                    
however school  construction projects had still  been funded                                                                    
through  the  REAA and  small  municipal  project fund.  The                                                                    
majority  of  school projects  had  been  eligible for  REAA                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  if any  of the  areas on  the chart                                                                    
indicating zero dollars had to do with vetoes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  responded that  there had  been some  efforts to                                                                    
award  funds  under  the   school  construction  grant  fund                                                                    
category  that  had  been  vetoed. In  the  REAA  and  small                                                                    
municipal district fund, the normal  funding would be in the                                                                    
high  $30,000 to  the  low $40,000  range  according to  the                                                                    
calculations. He explained that  the numbers represented the                                                                    
actual projects  that were funded,  not the amount  that was                                                                    
placed into the fund.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner added  that  in  FY 21,  the  school bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement  was vetoed,  which meant  no funding  went to                                                                    
the REAA fund.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   asked  Ms.  Teshner  to   speak  to  the                                                                    
additional  costs  that  could   result  from  pushing  back                                                                    
projects because of increasing construction costs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig   agreed  that   construction  costs   had  been                                                                    
increasing.  He thought  that cost  increases combined  with                                                                    
the  deteriorating conditions  of  some  facilities made  it                                                                    
clear that there was a need for funding.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon wanted  to  discuss  the Bristol  Bay                                                                    
School District. He understood  that the school building had                                                                    
been  built when  Governor Jay  Hammond was  on the  borough                                                                    
assembly.  There was  an expensive  remodeling project  that                                                                    
was made more expensive when  asbestos was discovered in the                                                                    
roof.  He  suggested there  was  nothing  in the  budget  to                                                                    
address potential cost overruns.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig replied  that he  was aware  of the  Bristol Bay                                                                    
project which  was funded  in FY 19.  He indicated  that the                                                                    
project was  basically completed.  However, he  agreed there                                                                    
had been  unanticipated issues  including delays  because of                                                                    
the discovery of asbestos. There  were also additional costs                                                                    
and delays related to  COVID-19 mitigation. Additional funds                                                                    
had been needed in order  to complete the project. There had                                                                    
been occasions in  which funds had to be  allocated to other                                                                    
projects that were behind schedule.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  noted  that the  circumstances  were                                                                    
anomalies.  The borough  had additional  costs  of about  $3                                                                    
million which came  out of the Bristol  Bay Borough reserves                                                                    
in order to keep the project on track.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:03:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig  explained  slide   12:  "Total  Eligible  Grant                                                                    
Projects  and  Actual Grant  Funding  by  Fiscal Year."  The                                                                    
slide reflected the number of  projects that had been placed                                                                    
on the list. He noted  that the school construction list had                                                                    
diminished significantly,  which he  thought was  the direct                                                                    
result of heavy  funding in that area. Much  of the capacity                                                                    
issues related to overcrowding that  had been problematic in                                                                    
the  past had  been resolved,  and old  facilities had  been                                                                    
replaced. The  remaining items would  be expensive,  but the                                                                    
number of projects had been reduced.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig turned  to slide  13:  "Appropriations into  the                                                                    
REAA and  Small Municipal  School District Fund."  The slide                                                                    
showed   how   the  fund   had   faired   since  the   first                                                                    
appropriations were made in FY 13.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig continued  to slide  14:  "Allocations from  the                                                                    
REAA  and Small  Municipal School  District Fund."  The list                                                                    
reflected  projects that  had received  funding through  the                                                                    
REAA and  small municipal school  district funds. In  FY 21,                                                                    
there was a bill passed  that had made funding available for                                                                    
major maintenance projects. He  noted that some high-ranking                                                                    
major maintenance projects had used these funds.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig advanced  to slide  15: "Debt  Reimbursement and                                                                    
Eligibility."  The   program  was  established   through  AS                                                                    
14.11.100  and  gave the  state  the  opportunity to  review                                                                    
applications  made by  school  districts and  municipalities                                                                    
for  projects that  could  be eligible  for  state aid.  The                                                                    
projects were  typically not ranked,  but on  occasion there                                                                    
had been  some need to evaluate  and prioritize applications                                                                    
when  certain allocations  were identified  in statute.  The                                                                    
department   used   the   same   metrics   and   eligibility                                                                    
requirements that were used for all projects.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  Co-Chair Foster  to comment  on the                                                                    
school  bond debt  reimbursement allocation  in the  current                                                                    
operating budget that was moved out of committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   explained  that  the  school   bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement was funded at the  100 percent level in the FY                                                                    
23 operating budget.  He noted that only half  was paid last                                                                    
year,  so it  was determined  that the  state would  pay the                                                                    
other  half this  year in  a supplemental  appropriation. He                                                                    
thought  that the  amount  came to  around  $60 million.  He                                                                    
wasn't  sure of  the exact  monetary number  associated with                                                                    
the difference.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick thought that  the information was important                                                                    
for people to know.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig  advanced  to   slide  16:  "Debt  Reimbursement                                                                    
Trends:  Percentage  of  Reimbursement  Trends."  The  slide                                                                    
identified  the percentage  of school  debt  covered by  the                                                                    
state that  had changed  over time. Currently,  all projects                                                                    
that  had  received  debt reimbursement  were  either  being                                                                    
reimbursed at  70 percent or 60  percent. Proposed statutory                                                                    
language  was  suggesting  this  be changed  to  50  and  40                                                                    
percent.   The  difference   between  the   two  eligibility                                                                    
percentages  was tied  to  whether or  not  the project  was                                                                    
eligible  under  the  department's  regulations  for  school                                                                    
space.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig   moved  to  the   chart  on  slide   17:  "Debt                                                                    
Reimbursement    Trends:   Project    Values   by    Percent                                                                    
Reimbursement."  He  offered   clarification  that  when  he                                                                    
discussed debt  reimbursement, he was talking  about project                                                                    
values, not the overall cost  over time. He highlighted that                                                                    
the  majority of  projects  had been  reimbursed  at the  70                                                                    
percent  rate.  There  was  also  a  substantial  number  of                                                                    
projects reimbursed at 60 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner addressed slide  18: "Debt Reimbursement Trends:                                                                    
State  Share of  Outstanding  Debt."  She answered  Co-Chair                                                                    
Foster's question  and reported that the  difference between                                                                    
FY   22   debt    reimbursement   appropriations   and   the                                                                    
supplemental  appropriation  was   about  $49  million.  She                                                                    
discussed  the  state's share  of  outstanding  debt on  the                                                                    
slide. She  explained that  current projections  showed that                                                                    
the  state liability  would  be  fully paid  off  in FY  40,                                                                    
assuming  that the  moratorium  would end  and  that no  new                                                                    
bonds  would be  sold. She  noted  that Handout  2 (copy  on                                                                    
file) provided information on the numbers behind the chart.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner  advanced  to  slide  19:  "Debt  Reimbursement                                                                    
Trends:   Reimbursement   Shortfalls."  The   slide   showed                                                                    
reimbursement shortfalls. She noted  that Handout 3 (copy on                                                                    
file) showed  the same  information on the  slide but  in an                                                                    
easier to read format.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner  continued  to  slide  20:  "Debt  Proceed  and                                                                    
Refundings."  She explained  that  after  the initial  bonds                                                                    
were  sold,  the  department  identified  how  much  of  the                                                                    
approved projects were  funded by the new  bond. There might                                                                    
be  other elements  within an  approved bond  that were  not                                                                    
school related,  so the department would  break the elements                                                                    
out in order  to only include what was  eligible in statute.                                                                    
After  eligibility was  confirmed,  the reimbursement  rates                                                                    
were  determined.  If   districts  and  municipalities  were                                                                    
allowed to provide refundings, the  refundings would have to                                                                    
show an overall savings to the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner  indicated that  slide 21:  "Funding Comparison"                                                                    
was  a summary  of  the presentation  and  showed the  three                                                                    
funding options that  had been discussed. All REAAs  had a 2                                                                    
percent participating  share and small municipalities  had a                                                                    
share of between 10 and  20 percent. The participating share                                                                    
for school  construction and  major municipality  grants was                                                                    
between 2  and 35  percent. The local  share under  the debt                                                                    
reimbursement  program was  40 percent  if not  eligible for                                                                    
space and  30 percent  for all  others. When  the moratorium                                                                    
lifted in FY  26, the percentage would change  to 50 percent                                                                    
and 40 percent, respectively.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner turned  to slide  22: "Additional  Handouts and                                                                    
Resources."  The  slide  showed  some  additional  reference                                                                    
information and several online resources.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:22 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:18:25 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  thanked the presenters.  She was  glad the                                                                    
presenters highlighted that the  costs would increase in the                                                                    
future  and that  the state  had  not been  keeping up  with                                                                    
school major  maintenance. She suggested that  although many                                                                    
of  the  projects  were not  glamorous,  the  projects  were                                                                    
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:19:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  asked if deferred  maintenance was                                                                    
considered to be the same as major maintenance.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner confirmed that deferred  maintenance was a title                                                                    
that was used  at the state level and  major maintenance was                                                                    
used at the district level.  She agreed that both titles had                                                                    
been used interchangeably for school districts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter asked  about the difference between                                                                    
the   preventative   maintenance   program   and   a   grant                                                                    
application for major maintenance.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig  responded  that  the  preventative  maintenance                                                                    
program  included   five  different  areas   of  maintenance                                                                    
management and  school facility management. All  of the five                                                                    
areas  should be  funded by  school districts  through their                                                                    
operating budgets. The  responsibility of school maintenance                                                                    
was  that   of  the  operating   fund.  All  of   the  major                                                                    
maintenance projects listed were  projects that were already                                                                    
in need.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter clarified that  all of the projects                                                                    
that were on  the major maintenance list would  not be found                                                                    
on  the preventative  maintenance list  that the  department                                                                    
would  certify for  each school  district. He  asked whether                                                                    
there  would be  any projects  with major  maintenance needs                                                                    
that would fall under the preventative maintenance program.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig  responded in the affirmative.  He explained that                                                                    
that  the state  did  not manage  a district's  preventative                                                                    
maintenance program, though it  would ensure that a district                                                                    
had  one  in place  and  would  help  a district  develop  a                                                                    
program   if  necessary.   In  regulation,   the  department                                                                    
categorized  major  maintenance   projects  as  projects  at                                                                    
$50,000  or  more. Any  projects  below  that dollar  amount                                                                    
needed to be worked as a district project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  shared his understanding  that the                                                                    
needs  for   major  maintenance   projects  had   been  less                                                                    
substantial  in  the  last  few  years.  There  was  also  a                                                                    
decision that was  made at the local  level for preventative                                                                    
maintenance. He asked about the  linkage between the current                                                                    
major maintenance  projects and the decisions  that had been                                                                    
made to  forgo the preventative maintenance  projects in the                                                                    
districts. He asked  if it was known  whether districts were                                                                    
putting  off preventative  maintenance, and  therefore would                                                                    
incur a major  maintenance cost down the road  that would be                                                                    
the responsibility of the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig   explained  that   in  1999,   the  legislature                                                                    
instituted  a taskforce  for  deferred  maintenance to  look                                                                    
into  the  matter.  When  the  program  was  implemented  to                                                                    
measure the  preventative maintenance participation  of each                                                                    
district,  there  was  a  position  added  to  evaluate  the                                                                    
districts.  If   districts  could   not  provide   proof  of                                                                    
compliance, they would remain ineligible.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  thought that part of  the criteria                                                                    
for  getting onto  the major  maintenance list  would be  an                                                                    
assessment at the state level to investigate each project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig replied in the  affirmative. He indicated that if                                                                    
the state  saw that there  was a maintenance issue  that was                                                                    
reflected as  part of a  project, it  would be taken  out of                                                                    
the request.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted that school  bond debt and  REAA were                                                                    
tied together by formula and  sometimes the two numbers were                                                                    
lumped together.  He wanted to  clarify his  earlier comment                                                                    
stating that  the number  came to  $60 million.  School bond                                                                    
debt  was $49  million, but  the total  between school  bond                                                                    
debt and REAA was $67  million. He explained that last year,                                                                    
$49  was tied  to  the Constitutional  Budget Reserve  (CBR)                                                                    
vote. The vote failed to pass  and the other $17 million for                                                                    
REAAs was also  vetoed. He reiterated that  both were funded                                                                    
at 50  percent. The  legislature put in  $67 million  in the                                                                    
supplemental capital  budget for  both school bond  debt and                                                                    
REAA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz noted the major  maintenance list had grown                                                                    
over the  years and the  state had access to  more financial                                                                    
resources in the  current year than it had  in recent years.                                                                    
He wondered  whether there would  be any  bandwidth problems                                                                    
within the department to efficiently  use resources if there                                                                    
was an  attempt to  eliminate the  current list  of projects                                                                    
that totaled  about $200  million. He asked  if there  was a                                                                    
preference and whether it would  be better if the funds were                                                                    
more dispersed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick thought the cost  for the projects was $260                                                                    
million to $280 million.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner  responded  that the  state's  share  was  $196                                                                    
million.  She   also  noted  that   the  full   funding  was                                                                    
appropriated, the  department would do its  due diligence to                                                                    
distribute the agreements to school  districts as quickly as                                                                    
possible. Some monies would be  spent faster than others. In                                                                    
the following year  there would be a new list,  as there was                                                                    
continued need.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick indicated  that the  committee would  hear                                                                    
from stakeholders.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:29:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM   ROTH,  CHIEF   OPERATING  OFFICER,   ANCHORAGE  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT  (via teleconference),  thought  Mr. Jim  Anderson,                                                                    
also  from   the  Anchorage   School  District   (ASD),  was                                                                    
available online to  comment. He relayed that  ASD made sure                                                                    
it was eligible  to participate in the grants  over the last                                                                    
several years.  The district had received  state funding for                                                                    
two projects  since 2015. The  amount received by  the state                                                                    
had  not  been  substantial.   The  district  was  currently                                                                    
sitting  on  more  than  $820   million  in  deferred  major                                                                    
maintenance funds.  He relayed the district  had a dedicated                                                                    
maintenance  and   operations  department  to   ensure  that                                                                    
preventative  maintenance  was taking  place.  Additionally,                                                                    
the  district  did  a   significant  amount  of  unscheduled                                                                    
maintenance  that  came  up  from  time  to  time.  As  time                                                                    
continued   without  doing   maintenance,  the   unscheduled                                                                    
repairs would  increase. Deferring major maintenance  led to                                                                    
greater costs with the passage of time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:33:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  ANDERSON,  CHIEF  FINANCIAL OFFICER,  ANCHORAGE  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT  (via   teleconference),  reported  that   ASD  had                                                                    
received about  $21 million  over the  last 10  years, which                                                                    
was about  3 percent of the  total in the state.  He did not                                                                    
think the  district had received  a significant  amount, but                                                                    
when it did receive funds,  the funds were for projects that                                                                    
needed  the  funding.  There was  certainly  more  need  for                                                                    
funding to be available due to many projects being vetoed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Carpenter  asked   whether   there  was   a                                                                    
statutory requirement  mandating that  the state  fund major                                                                    
maintenance projects for schools.  He wondered if a decision                                                                    
at  the  local level  could  be  made  to push  projects  to                                                                    
deferred maintenance.  He offered that  operational spending                                                                    
and capital spending dedicated  to improving buildings could                                                                    
compete for  available dollars. He  asked whether  the state                                                                    
was required to pay for the major components of a project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Roth responded that there  was no statutory requirement.                                                                    
He shared  that ASD  had not sought  funding since  the bond                                                                    
debt program was  suspended. The cost had been  borne by the                                                                    
municipality since 2015.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Carpenter  commented   that   he  was   not                                                                    
necessarily  looking   for  a  response  from   ASD  on  the                                                                    
statutory requirements.  He stated  that he would  look into                                                                    
it on his own.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mearig  replied  that  there  was  some  responsibility                                                                    
involved in  an REAA for the  state to enter into  a capital                                                                    
renewal of necessary facilities.  Outside of that situation,                                                                    
the    responsibility   would    fall   to    boroughs   and                                                                    
municipalities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  thought Mr.  Mearig was  drawing a                                                                    
distinction  between  major  maintenance  projects  in  REAA                                                                    
schools  that were  not in  a local  municipality and  major                                                                    
maintenance  projects   that  were  in   municipalities.  He                                                                    
suggested  that the  latter was  the  responsibility of  the                                                                    
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mearig replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon thought  ASD was  set up  similarly to                                                                    
the Fairbanks North Star Borough  (FNSB) school district. He                                                                    
wondered  if  the district  owned  and  operated the  school                                                                    
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Roth responded  that all real property was  owned by the                                                                    
municipality.  The  district  exercised  management  of  the                                                                    
properties and maintained the grounds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  asked how extensive ASD's  role was in                                                                    
the maintenance  of properties.  In particular,  he wondered                                                                    
about the maintenance of roofs within the district.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Roth responded that the  district was wholly responsible                                                                    
for   maintaining  roofs   through  both   preventative  and                                                                    
unscheduled  maintenance repairs  as well  as replacing  the                                                                    
roofs  when  needed.  It  was   the  responsibility  of  the                                                                    
district    to   request    funding   through    bond   debt                                                                    
reimbursement.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  referred  to one  of  the  elementary                                                                    
school  improvement  lists  on   file  that  mentioned  roof                                                                    
maintenance.  The schools  in his  district appeared  on the                                                                    
list  on  three  occasions  all  for  roof  replacement.  He                                                                    
wondered  how much  of the  chronic  roof replacement  needs                                                                    
could have been avoided.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   noticed  that  roof   replacements  were                                                                    
frequent on the  list. She asked about the  roof repairs for                                                                    
Eagle River  Elementary School (ERES)  and whether  the need                                                                    
resulted from earthquake damage.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Roth  replied  that  the   need  did  not  result  from                                                                    
earthquake   damage.  The   schools   had  received   public                                                                    
assistance  to cover  the earthquake  damages. Prior  to the                                                                    
earthquake in November  of 2018, ERES was next  in the queue                                                                    
for what would have been  a roof replacement and a scheduled                                                                    
periodic improvement to the school building.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  noted  that  ERES was  one  of  the  most                                                                    
damaged  schools in  the aftermath  of  the earthquake.  She                                                                    
thanked the testifiers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:43:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED   PEKAR,    LOWER   KUSKOKWIM   SCHOOL    DISTRICT   (via                                                                    
teleconference),  relayed that  the  Lower Kuskokwim  School                                                                    
District's (LKSD) most  pressing needs were a  new school in                                                                    
Napakiak  and a  new  school in  Mertarvik.  There had  been                                                                    
significant river  erosion in Newtok  that had  impacted the                                                                    
village, and  the village was  in the midst of  a relocation                                                                    
project  from  Newtok  to Mertarvik.  The  timeline  of  the                                                                    
relocation  had been  impacted due  to COVID-19.  There were                                                                    
several  other maintenance  projects  in  the district  that                                                                    
needed  funding.  Another  school  on  the  CIP  list,  Anna                                                                    
Tobeluk Memorial  School, had been  moved down the  list due                                                                    
to the priority  of addressing the river  erosion in Newtok.                                                                    
The  district  received  funding  to begin  the  project  in                                                                    
Napakiak.   He  had   revamped   the   district's  list   of                                                                    
preventative  maintenance  projects  and  there  was  a  new                                                                    
management system. The district had  secured a lease for the                                                                    
new school  site in Napakiak  and continued to  work towards                                                                    
completing the project. The district  continued to reach out                                                                    
to state and local entities  in Newtok and Napakiak for help                                                                    
developing water wells, sewer systems, and electricity.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  LYON,  PLANNING  DIRECTOR,  KENAI  PENINSULA  BOROUGH                                                                    
SCHOOL DISTRICT (via teleconference),  wanted to express his                                                                    
support for  the school major maintenance  projects efforts.                                                                    
He shared  that the Kenai Peninsula  Borough School District                                                                    
(KPBSD)  spanned  about  25,600 square  miles  and  required                                                                    
bussing  students to  and from  school a  distance of  about                                                                    
6,670 miles  per day. The  average age of facilities  in the                                                                    
district was  46 years old,  with the oldest facility  at 87                                                                    
years  old. He  relayed that  30 percent  of schools  in the                                                                    
district  had   facilities  that  exceeded  50   years.  The                                                                    
district had done  a good job of  maintaining facilities and                                                                    
extending the  life of facilities.  The district  was unique                                                                    
in that  it included urban,  rural, and remote  areas. There                                                                    
were 42 schools  and 70 communities in the  district and the                                                                    
replacement amount  totaled around $713 million.  There were                                                                    
some computer  systems in  the district  that were  36 years                                                                    
old and  were based on  Windows 2.0. The newer  systems were                                                                    
more  reliable, easier  to maintain,  and saved  significant                                                                    
energy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lyon noted that the  reduction in state participation in                                                                    
the  reimbursement program  over  the last  three years  had                                                                    
shifted  about  $5.5  million   to  property  owners,  which                                                                    
covered the  state portion of  the bond payments.  The local                                                                    
funds could have been utilized  by adjusting facility needs.                                                                    
He  indicated  that  the reduction  in  state  participation                                                                    
combined  with  the  reimbursement moratorium  of  2015  had                                                                    
detrimentally impacted  the district.  If these  issues were                                                                    
addressed in  a timely manner, the  education infrastructure                                                                    
could be preserved.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  suggested that  there were  nearly 100                                                                    
projects listed  by priority on  the CIP list.  He indicated                                                                    
that Kenai  appeared as number  61 on the list  of projects,                                                                    
and  the need  was for  a partial  roof replacement.  He was                                                                    
impressed  that the  district only  had one  project on  the                                                                    
list.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:51:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARAH  SLEDGE, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, COALITION  FOR EDUCATION                                                                    
EQUITY,  began her  PowerPoint Presentation:  "Coalition for                                                                    
Education Equity." She began on  slide 2 and read a prepared                                                                    
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Good  afternoon. My  name  is Sarah  Sledge.  I am  the                                                                    
     executive  director  of  the  Coalition  for  Education                                                                    
     Equity,  a statewide  organization representing  Alaska                                                                    
     school   districts,   organizations,  and   individuals                                                                    
     concerned about the quality  and breadth of educational                                                                    
     opportunities  available  to Alaska's  children.  Thank                                                                    
     you for the opportunity to speak with you today.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Formerly   known  as   Citizens  for   the  Educational                                                                    
     Advancement  of   Alaska's  Children,  or   CEAAC,  our                                                                    
     organization  advocated  for  education reform  at  the                                                                    
     legislative  level  while  fighting the  Kasayulie  and                                                                    
     Moore  lawsuits, which  were settled  in 2011  and 2012                                                                    
     respectively. The Kasayulie vs  State of Alaska lawsuit                                                                    
     was  filed  in 1997  regarding  the  method of  funding                                                                    
     capital  projects  for  education.   At  the  time  the                                                                    
     lawsuit  was filed,  many  of  the physical  facilities                                                                    
     within plaintiff  (REAA) school districts were  in dire                                                                    
     need   of   replacement   and/or   major   maintenance,                                                                    
     exhibiting widespread  deterioration, physical dangers,                                                                    
     structural deficiencies, inability  to satisfy relevant                                                                    
     code   requirements,   and   a   lack   of   sufficient                                                                    
     instructional space.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     We are  concerned that we  again find ourselves  in the                                                                    
     situation of seeing  deterioration of school facilities                                                                    
     creating   unsafe    or   uncomfortable   environments,                                                                    
     environments that interfere with  or impede the ability                                                                    
     of students to learn, or,  at the very least, increased                                                                    
     costs  for  maintenance.  We are  also  concerned  that                                                                    
     continued   deferment   of   major   maintenance   will                                                                    
     necessitate  a  larger  number of  school  construction                                                                    
     projects in the future, at great cost to our state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:53:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge turned to slide 3 and continued to read from a                                                                       
prepared statement:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Slide  3  shows  the  number  of  projects  and  dollar                                                                    
     amounts of  the Major  Maintenance priority  lists over                                                                    
     the past five years, including the current year list.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     We  can see  that  in  this time  frame  the number  of                                                                    
     projects and  the cost of  these projects  has steadily                                                                    
     increased.  Many  of the  projects  on  this list  have                                                                    
     remained on the list for  many years, and in many cases                                                                    
     the maintenance  issues at  those schools  become worse                                                                    
     over  time  as   conditions  deteriorate.  Other  major                                                                    
     maintenance  projects we  know have  either fallen  off                                                                    
     the list, for  a variety of reasons, or are  not on the                                                                    
     list  because school  districts  did  not complete  CIP                                                                    
     applications.  So, we  know that  the  need across  the                                                                    
     state is larger than what is on this list.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     This  need does  not correspond  with the  funding that                                                                    
     has  been provided  for school  major maintenance  over                                                                    
     the past several years.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:54:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge remained on slide 3 and continued to read from a                                                                     
prepared statement:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In  2017,  the  legislature  passed  $3.5  million  for                                                                    
     school Major Maintenance in the FY 2018 Capital Budget                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  2018, we  worked with  the Legislature  to pass  HB
     212, which allows  the REAA Fund to be  used for school                                                                    
     major   maintenance   projects   as  well   as   school                                                                    
     construction.                                                                                                              
     The REAA Fund  has been used twice since  passage of HB
     212 to fund REAA major maintenance projects:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     FY 2019 St. Mary's Campus Upgrades ($3,449,928)                                                                            
     FY  2021  St.  Paul  K-12  School  Roof  Replacement  &                                                                    
     Structural Repairs ($1,896,395)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     That  year  the   Legislature  passed  $24,203,372  for                                                                    
     school  Major  Maintenance  in   the  FY  2019  Capital                                                                    
     Budget,   which  covered   the  top   five  maintenance                                                                    
     projects on the priority list that year.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     In  2019,  $2,484,000  was  appropriated  for  specific                                                                    
     school  construction  and  major  maintenance  projects                                                                    
     (NWABSD and ASD    Sand Lake Elementary safety lighting                                                                    
     project).  No funding  was appropriated  for the  major                                                                    
     maintenance grant program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In  2020, no  funding  was appropriated  for the  major                                                                    
     maintenance grant program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In 2021, the legislature  passed $21,642,300 for school                                                                    
     major maintenance, as  well as funding for  a couple of                                                                    
     individual   school  projects.   The  $21,642,300   was                                                                    
     vetoed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge advanced to slide 4 and continued to read from a                                                                     
prepared statement:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     CIP (Capital Improvement Project) Application Process                                                                      
     The CIP application  process is thorough and  is set up                                                                    
     to  ensure that  school  capital  projects are  needed,                                                                    
     well  planned and  designed, and  a good  use of  state                                                                    
     funding.    School     districts    submitting    grant                                                                    
     applications  must have  a six-year  CIP  plan on  file                                                                    
     with  DEED,  which  outlines  all  current  and  future                                                                    
     capital   priorities.   Applications  themselves   will                                                                    
     require some  form of  facility or  component condition                                                                    
     survey,  depending  on  the scope  of  the  project.  A                                                                    
     facility condition  survey would be needed  for a major                                                                    
     rehabilitation   project.  Additional   assessments  or                                                                    
     documentation  that will  be  needed  for larger  scale                                                                    
     projects  include   planning,  schematic   design,  and                                                                    
     design  development   work.  This  work  needs   to  be                                                                    
     completed   by  an   engineer  or   architect.  Smaller                                                                    
     projects can be assessed by a licensed contractor.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     This  process,  again depending  on  the  scope of  the                                                                    
     project,  can  cost  between  $2-3000  up  to  $75,000-                                                                    
     $100,000   to   prepare   for  and   submit   the   CIP                                                                    
     application.  Getting  design  teams to  rural  village                                                                    
     schools  for  these  assessments and  to  prepare  cost                                                                    
     estimates   can  be   especially  expensive.   I  spoke                                                                    
     recently with  a superintendent who had  an engineering                                                                    
     team  visit two  of the  district's schools  to prepare                                                                    
     these  surveys and  plan and  the cost  was just  under                                                                    
     $62,000. For another district, they  were unable to get                                                                    
     any contractor to travel to  their schools at all to do                                                                    
     this  work and  give them  a bid.  They were  unable to                                                                    
     submit  a CIP  application. Many  school districts  use                                                                    
     outside  assistance  to  help   them  put  their  grant                                                                    
     application  packets  together,  which can  range  from                                                                    
    $2500-10,000, depending on the number of projects.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In addition to  this initial cost, there  is an ongoing                                                                    
     cost  to  reapply when  projects  are  not funded.  The                                                                    
     application must  be updated  and the cost  to resubmit                                                                    
     can run around $8,000 every two years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     For  many of  these  school  districts, these  projects                                                                    
     once completed will result  in significant cost savings                                                                    
     due to improved energy  efficiency and reduced need for                                                                    
     ongoing maintenance and repair.  We continually ask our                                                                    
     school districts  to spend efficiently    funding these                                                                    
     projects will help them do so.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I just want to stop  here and acknowledge the wonderful                                                                    
     staff  at   the  Department  of  Education   and  Early                                                                    
     Development. They provide  extensive ongoing support to                                                                    
     school districts  throughout this process and  I always                                                                    
     hear about how helpful they are.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Impact of Projects Not Getting Funded                                                                                      
     So,  given what  I've just  shared about  the costs  of                                                                    
     preparing for and submitting  CIP applications, you can                                                                    
     see that  if a  project doesn't  get funded,  there are                                                                    
     ongoing costs  for resubmitting  year after  year. This                                                                    
     can add up to a  significant amount of money for school                                                                    
     districts over the years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     But there  are also the  costs involved with  making do                                                                    
     in  the meantime    working  with district  maintenance                                                                    
     staff  or hired  contractors to  make fixes  or repairs                                                                    
     that   are  temporary   and  insufficient.   The  costs                                                                    
     involved  in  taking  these  actions  don't  solve  the                                                                    
     problem and are sunk costs for school districts.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge remained on slide 4 and continued to read from a                                                                     
prepared statement:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     You  can see  the  burgeoning need  by  looking at  the                                                                    
     major maintenance  priority list. What is  this like in                                                                    
     reality  for our  school districts?  I'd like  to share                                                                    
     with you just a few scenarios:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Our DDC  Control system  is off-line  and has  been for                                                                    
     four years. The cost to  the district is increased fuel                                                                    
     usage,  an inordinate  amount of  maintenance personnel                                                                    
     time manually adjusting valves for  rooms which are too                                                                    
     hot/too cold, and poor  ventilation since we discovered                                                                    
     some of the  air handlers went offline. This  is also a                                                                    
     health  issue   with  poor   air  circulation   in  the                                                                    
     buildings, especially in the time  of COVID. We plan to                                                                    
     use some  of our second  round of CARES Act  funding to                                                                    
     try to  bring at  least one school  back online  with a                                                                    
     new system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Our   high   school   generator  is   too   small   and                                                                    
     inefficient,  and   it  is  also  located   INSIDE  our                                                                    
     maintenance shop with  inadequate exterior ventilation.                                                                    
     Every  time the  power goes  off our  maintenance staff                                                                    
     must evacuate the shop until  the generator can be shut                                                                    
     off as it pours fumes into the building.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Roof Repair  requested 6 years  ago. The need  for this                                                                    
     is that  the roof  is a  hot roof  and a  light pitched                                                                    
     roof,  this allows  the  snow  to build  up  and as  it                                                                    
     accumulates  it melts  at the  roofing level  then runs                                                                    
     down to  where the  roof is  the coldest  and refreezes                                                                    
     and build an ice dam  that backs up further melt water.                                                                    
     When this happens  the water's depth allows  it to find                                                                    
     its way  under the roofing  and into the inside  of the                                                                    
     building  causing  water   damage  to  the  insulation,                                                                    
     sheetrock  and wood  framing and  also  allows for  the                                                                    
     formation of mold.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The H-Vac and ducting  system have not been functioning                                                                    
     properly for over  12 years and needs to be  fixed by a                                                                    
     professional. Because  the duct  work has gaps  and has                                                                    
     fallen in places it allows  dirty air and dust from the                                                                    
     crawl  space to  be  introduced into  the school.  This                                                                    
     also appears  to be  where mice  are gaining  access to                                                                    
     the school  building. All of  this makes  for unhealthy                                                                    
     air quality, as well as heating inefficiency.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge turned to the photos on slides 5, 6, and 7 and                                                                       
continued to read from a prepared statement:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     This  school   built  in  1979   and  has   never  been                                                                    
     renovated. The  roof is  so damaged  from snow  and ice                                                                    
     during the  winter that it  continually leaks  when the                                                                    
     temperatures  rise  above  freezing.  Rain  during  the                                                                    
     warmer  seasons  further  aggravates the  problem.  The                                                                    
     roof has  3-inch ribs, spaced  8 inches apart,  and has                                                                    
     over  12 "valleys"  which trap  precipitation. We  have                                                                    
     done everything in our capabilities  to repair and stop                                                                    
     the leaks.  The design of  the roof does not  allow the                                                                    
     water  to  flow  down  naturally.   The  snow  must  be                                                                    
     shoveled off every winter by  the maintenance crew, who                                                                    
     have spent untold hours doing  so. During the summer we                                                                    
     spend  many   hours  working   on  large   portions  of                                                                    
     repairing  those winter  damages, summer  after summer.                                                                    
     The repairs  only seem to  last one  season. Insulation                                                                    
     has been added  in the attic space; we  thought we were                                                                    
     losing heat through the roof  causing the ice dams, but                                                                    
     the added  insulation made no change.  The heavy amount                                                                    
    of snow insulates it, then melts causing the leaks.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The school's foundation  is deteriorating very quickly.                                                                    
     There is  so much moisture  in the soil  underneath the                                                                    
     school  building and  surrounding the  school property,                                                                    
     that the weight  of the building is  causing the entire                                                                    
     school  to  sink  several  inches  a  year.  That  same                                                                    
     moisture is causing dry rot  and warping the building's                                                                    
     supporting  structure.   Hours  have  been   spent  re-                                                                    
     leveling and replacing  the rotting foundation sections                                                                    
     every year.  It is  a losing battle,  as more  and more                                                                    
     moisture  damage occurs  each  year.  The leaking  roof                                                                    
     adds to  the problem as  the water flows down  the wall                                                                    
     and onto the foundation.  With improper substrate being                                                                    
     used  (with  the  foundation)  when  the  building  was                                                                    
     built,  and  the  added  water   being  placed  on  the                                                                    
     foundation due  to the leaking roof,  the problem grows                                                                    
     rapidly.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  school building  is located  about 500  yards away                                                                    
     from  the   Kuskokwim  River.   Due  to   the  moisture                                                                    
     associated with  the river, we  have large  sections of                                                                    
     the  school's exterior  walls  bowing  and causing  the                                                                    
     outside  trim  to pop  off.  The  continued bowing  has                                                                    
     increased  to the  point of  warping the  window frame,                                                                    
     causing window breakage.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Also  at this  school, due  to bowing  of the  building                                                                    
     walls  and pressure  buildup from  the sinking  ground,                                                                    
     the  main power  box often  rips  off the  side of  the                                                                    
     school building when the winds blow.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The  need   for  major   maintenance  for   our  school                                                                    
     districts  is  real and  it  is  significant. For  many                                                                    
     schools the  need is urgent. For  all school districts,                                                                    
     the  financial  impact  is substantial,  and  for  REAA                                                                    
     school districts,  there are  no real  alternatives for                                                                    
     obtaining funding for these  needed projects. For small                                                                    
     rural village schools, there are  no options for moving                                                                    
     to  another location    there  are  no extra  buildings                                                                    
     available   in  those   villages   for  educating   our                                                                    
     children. It is unimaginable to  me that we are sending                                                                    
     our educators  and children  into these  conditions and                                                                    
     expecting  them  to  have   a  high  quality  education                                                                    
     experience.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I am  deeply grateful  to you all  for your  time today                                                                    
     and for the  time you give every day in  service to our                                                                    
     State.  Thank you  for giving  your  attention to  this                                                                    
     critical matter.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  if the  focus of  the coalition                                                                    
was on rural schools.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge responded that it  was not necessarily the focus.                                                                    
The coalition was originally founded  to help rural schools,                                                                    
but  it had  urban members  as well.  Major maintenance  was                                                                    
needed in both rural and urban areas.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  agreed. He asked what  involvement the                                                                    
coalition  had in  the big  five  districts: Juneau,  Kenai,                                                                    
Anchorage, Matanuska-Susitna, and Fairbanks.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge responded that ASD was  one of the members of the                                                                    
coalition and the  other four were not. She  shared that the                                                                    
work  done around  REAA funding  was  significant. She  knew                                                                    
that the need for major maintenance was great.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  asked  about   the  nature  of  ASD's                                                                    
membership in the coalition.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sledge  responded  that   there  were  school  district                                                                    
memberships,  and the  majority  were REAA  or small  school                                                                    
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon was curious as  to why ASD was a member                                                                    
of  the coalition  and FNSB  was not.  He wondered  what the                                                                    
reason for this  was and asked about the role  ASD played in                                                                    
the coalition.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sledge responded  that she  did not  know why  FNSB had                                                                    
historically not been part of  the coalition. She understood                                                                    
that  ASD saw  the  value in  membership  because it  helped                                                                    
support  rural  school   districts.  There  was  significant                                                                    
transition  of  students  from  rural  school  districts  to                                                                    
larger urban school districts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon wondered  what benefits ASD experienced                                                                    
through its membership in the organization.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sledge thought the benefit  was to better support all of                                                                    
Alaska's school children.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:07:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NILS ANDREASSON, DIRECTOR,  ALASKA MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, thanked                                                                    
the committee  for its  work with  the operating  budget. He                                                                    
relayed  that  school  construction  and  major  maintenance                                                                    
funding  was   one  of   Alaska  Municipal   League's  (AML)                                                                    
priorities.  He  noted  that a  number  of  resolutions  had                                                                    
passed  that spoke  to the  need to  fully fund  school bond                                                                    
debt   reimbursement   and   greater  funding   for   school                                                                    
construction and major maintenance.  He relayed that AML had                                                                    
looked  at  the amount  of  annual  school construction  and                                                                    
major  maintenance that  had been  funded over  the past  11                                                                    
years  and saw  that it  had only  been funded  at about  11                                                                    
percent. Some  years there was  no funding at all.  The cost                                                                    
involved  in  submitting  applications  and  complying  with                                                                    
requirements was  significant, as well  as the time  it took                                                                    
to  complete the  applications. There  had been  trends that                                                                    
suggested lower  interest in submitting applications  to the                                                                    
state  because  it  was  perceived  that  there  was  little                                                                    
benefit in  doing so.  He added that  there were  over 1,000                                                                    
school facilities  in Alaska and  429 of them were  40 years                                                                    
or  older. He  relayed  that age  40 was  the  age at  which                                                                    
school needed major maintenance.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen  thought it  was  worth  thinking about  the                                                                    
replacement  costs of  schools.  He  recalled a  calculation                                                                    
from a few years ago that  put the cost at $6.3 billion. The                                                                    
reason  for AML  to  have  a role  in  the conversation  was                                                                    
because  of  the  1,000  schools  in  the  state,  757  were                                                                    
municipal  owned or  maintained. He  remembered the  earlier                                                                    
conversation   during   the   meeting  about   the   state's                                                                    
responsibility  and argued  that the  state's constitutional                                                                    
obligation  did  not  differ   between  REAA  districts  and                                                                    
municipal school  districts. The state had  a responsibility                                                                    
to  provide  an  education  to students  and  to  provide  a                                                                    
facility. He  acknowledged that cities  still played  a role                                                                    
in contributing  to maintenance. It had  been suggested that                                                                    
for a project to be  considered a major maintenance project,                                                                    
costs needed  to exceed $50,000,  but he stated that  just a                                                                    
few years ago that number was $25,000.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:12:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  added that the  six-year fiscal plan  to pay                                                                    
for major  maintenance projects had typically  been reported                                                                    
at about  $1.3 billion in  the past few years.  However, the                                                                    
average cost  of projects on the  major maintenance priority                                                                    
list  since  2011 suggested  that  the  six-year plan  would                                                                    
amount to a  number closer to $2.8 billion.  There were also                                                                    
16 districts  that were  not included on  the list.  Many of                                                                    
the 16 excluded  districts did not provide a  request to the                                                                    
state due  to there  being little benefit  due to  the costs                                                                    
associated  with the  application  process.  A local  school                                                                    
district  could not  perform the  needed maintenance  on its                                                                    
own.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Andreassen   indicated  that   the  school   bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement program had pushed  more districts to apply to                                                                    
the grant  program. The increase  in participation  had also                                                                    
increased  competition  for   what  has  traditionally  been                                                                    
limited  funding. He  recognized  that  the legislature  had                                                                    
supported  funding for  the programs  in the  budgets during                                                                    
the last few years. Ultimately,  the question that needed to                                                                    
be  addressed   was  whether  the  state   was  contributing                                                                    
adequately to meet  the needs of the public.  He argued that                                                                    
funding has been insufficient, and  that data supported that                                                                    
assertion.  He recalled  that the  previous couple  of years                                                                    
skewed  the  understanding   the  contribution  capacity  of                                                                    
various entities.  The influx of federal  relief dollars had                                                                    
not resulted in a windfall  of funding for local governments                                                                    
or schools.  Most of  the funding had  been used  to replace                                                                    
lost  revenue and  maintain local  services  to ensure  that                                                                    
communities could continue to  function. At the local level,                                                                    
he   thought  the   federal   relief   programs  were   used                                                                    
appropriately.   He  noted   that  the   federal  Bipartisan                                                                    
Infrastructure  Law (BIL)  did not  include funds  for major                                                                    
maintenance  projects in  schools.  For  example, the  funds                                                                    
would not replace  roofs. He expressed that it  was great to                                                                    
see  that  there  was  some potential  to  save  money  with                                                                    
improvements  in energy  efficiency, but  that it  would not                                                                    
address  the   list  of   needed  school   improvements.  He                                                                    
concluded that parallel state  investment into schools would                                                                    
be the best way to leverage  efforts from the BIL to improve                                                                    
things like water, sewer, energy, and power systems.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:18:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon thanked Mr.  Andreassen for joining the                                                                    
committee. He wondered what Mr.  Andreassen's opinion was on                                                                    
the   appropriate  level   of  responsibility   that  school                                                                    
districts  and   boroughs  should  have  in   ongoing  major                                                                    
maintenance  projects.   He  noted   that  the   borough  of                                                                    
Fairbanks owns  the FNSB buildings and  the school districts                                                                    
were   responsible  for   day-to-day   maintenance  of   the                                                                    
buildings. He asked how active  FNSB should be in the effort                                                                    
to keep  its school  off of  the CIP  list. He  reminded the                                                                    
committee of the roof replacement issue in Fairbanks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Andreassen  responded that it was  primarily the state's                                                                    
obligation,  and local  boroughs  and municipalities  should                                                                    
work in partnership  with the state. He  indicated that just                                                                    
as  state   resources  were   constrained,  so   were  local                                                                    
governments.  Issues  such  as roof  replacements  would  be                                                                    
weighed  against other  issues  like homelessness,  opioids,                                                                    
and public  safety. Public education was  already 30 percent                                                                    
of most  municipalities' budgets.  However, without  a state                                                                    
partnership,  it would  be difficult  to meet  the needs  of                                                                    
students. The  reason for the major  maintenance program was                                                                    
to  facilitate   cost  sharing   between  state   and  local                                                                    
governments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  thought Mr. Andreasson's  response was                                                                    
fair.  He  thought   it  was  possible  that   some  of  the                                                                    
maintenance items could have  been avoided with preventative                                                                    
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  283  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick thanked the presenters for their time. She                                                                     
reviewed the agenda for the following meeting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:22:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:23 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DEED Handout #1 - AS 14.11.035 Final 2022 Report.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #2 - FY2023 State Share Totals by District 1.15.2022.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #3 - Debt Actual % 1976-2022.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #4 - FY2023 Anticipated School Debt Reimbursement.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #5 - FY23ConstructionFinalList.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #6 - FY23ProjectDescriptionsConstruction.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #7 - FY23MaintenanceFinalList.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
DEED Handout #8 - FY23ProjectDescriptionsMaintenance.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HB 283 3.25.2022 (H)FIN DEED School Capital Funding.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HB 283 2022_03_25 CEE presentation to House Finance.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HB 281 CS FIN Final v. F.pdf HFIN 3/25/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 281